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Post by Faerlain on Aug 27, 2005 23:19:01 GMT
Anyway, I was at work today (I work at a bagel shop... it's very interesting, to say the least) and I ran into a friend of one of my coworkers. We had previously spent a good twenty minutes talking about HPB. He's got a very interesting theory I'd like to share....
I can't verify it because my grandfather has my book at the moment, but I'm fairly sure it's accurate.
When Snape kills Dumbledore, he doesn't beg for his life. He just says "Snape, please." not "Snape, please don't do this, I don't want to die, blah blah blah." And before his death, he seemed so certain that his end was inevtiable.
Hence, what if Dumbledore picked Snape out from the Order of the Phoenix and ordered him to kill him? By telling Snape to make that pact to Narcissa, he was guarenteeing that he would meet his end at the wand of Snape. And now that everyone thinks that Snape is evil, he is left free to spy on Voldemort.
Also, Dumbledore knew Harry needed to defeat Voldemort on his own and not depend on him so much.
In a nutshell, I think that Dumbledore killed himself, in a way. Anyone think this is right?
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Post by Miharu Hayako on Aug 27, 2005 23:23:50 GMT
Hmmm....
That's a VERY good idea, Fai-san. ^ ^ (Fai-san = Miss "Faye")
(I say idea because my science teacher said sommat that I'm not going to repeat... may start an argument... O o)
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Post by ~Persephone~ on Aug 27, 2005 23:43:37 GMT
Hmm... I think that's a pretty good theory. It's kinda close to one that me and my friends have been coming up with. I think it's good, and very reasonable.
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Post by Haycee Marie Mandrake on Aug 28, 2005 2:10:16 GMT
Wow, that's very interesting. I definitely wouldn't have thought of that myself. However, there is a part of me that hopes that that is true because when I was reading it, I was in so shocked that Snape would do that. Throughout the entire series Snape is depicted as sort of an evil guy, but Dumbledore repeatedly told anyone who doubted Snape that he trusted him. Well, I really hope that's true because I want it to be!
EDIT: My 2 cents: It's right about the fact that Dumbledore didn't struggle or try to save his life. He had just come back from the underground lake trying to get the horcrux where I originally thought he was going to die there. He kept telling Harry to force him to drink the potion, no matter what. Dumbledore was a brilliant wizard and even though he was wandless, I'm sure he could've fought Snape if he wanted to. He trapped Harry under his invisibility cloak so he couldn't do anything while it was happening, but he didn't throw a spell at Snape to save his life? I think it sounds very likely that this theory is true.
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Post by Telah on Aug 28, 2005 2:39:13 GMT
OK thiks is what my friend though, ok we know dumboldor could have taken down the aperation sheild, so he planed the broom ride, because if we look back in the book it said snapes hand twitched when he was doing the unbreakable vow so maby that stoped the vow, so when dumboldor got up to the tower he put a show on and right before he was killed he summoned a boggart to look like him and aperated away when the shot hit the bogget.
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Post by Faerlain on Aug 28, 2005 2:48:12 GMT
I don't think he would have had the time to summon a boggart, that's a tad unrealistic.
Remember, in my opinion, Dumbledore wanted to die. He didn't want to live anymore, which is why, as Haycee stated, he didn't try to defend himself. He was the greatest wizard ever who could have probably beaten Snape, but chose not to.
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Post by -a r e l l a- on Aug 29, 2005 11:15:49 GMT
hmmm. The more I think about it...the more I think you could be right Faye...
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Post by Ashlle G. Rainier on Aug 29, 2005 17:49:08 GMT
SNAPE IS EVIL!!!!! he is a evil bas*ar* who killed Dumbledore and was on Voldemorts side all along, Get over yourselves! I can't believe your still on Snape's side!
No Person would WANT to die!
Edit: please don't take this the wrong way, i'm not meaning to be rude or anything, it's just that i loved Dumblie and I'd kill Snape if i could!
*angry and sad*
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Post by Faerlain on Aug 29, 2005 18:37:15 GMT
-shrugs- I'm still holding out that Snape is good. Dumbledore was old- who knows? Maybe he did want to die. Harry couldn't keep using him as a crutch forever, and I think he knew that.
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Post by Ashlle G. Rainier on Aug 29, 2005 18:43:31 GMT
Would You want to die? If you were in his place, I mean?
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Post by Z on Aug 29, 2005 19:02:58 GMT
Well, I read this on a site:
Dumbledore had snape make it SEEM as if he killed Dumbledore. Could it be possible to AVOID the Unbreakable Vow if it was SEEMED that Dumbledore died? Also, remember at one time (In HBP) Snape taught his students MENTAL SPELLS, CHARMS, AND INCANTATIONS. What if Snape said Avada Kedavra and thought of another spell? Also...Since when has Avada Kedavra make people fly over 20 feet in the air? It makes them, Leterally, Drop Dead.
So...NYAH!
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Post by Hope Daniels on Aug 29, 2005 22:49:50 GMT
Lmao. XD
Ha, that's and amazing theory, Faerlain. -Starts really thinking- o0.
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Post by ~Persephone~ on Aug 29, 2005 23:25:45 GMT
I think you maybe right about that flying over the edge thing, but if Snape didn't kill him, that fall would have. No person could survive a fall from that high up, even if he didn't mean to die.
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Post by Telah on Aug 30, 2005 3:42:55 GMT
Its possible to survive a fall from that height but very unlikly, theres like a 1 in a million chance:P so that prolly didnt happen, I am better that Dumbolor isnt dead but im not compleatly sure:S
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Post by Ondrea on Aug 30, 2005 3:58:17 GMT
Lol, I like Telahs' theory, I want to believe it. lol.
I think that what Faerlain thinks, could very well be true, but it also could be something like:
Snape was evil, and he did intend to kill Dumbledore, but Dumbledore knew that he was weak, and might be dying of old age (or better, he sacrificed his own life) so he just let Snape kill him, so that Harry would be more determined. If that was his plan, it sure did work! If it wasn't it still made Harry determined.
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